专访帕金斯威尔董事Jeff Ziebarth
Interview with Jeff Ziebarth, Principal of Perkins+Will
2015-01-27 17:44:08    | keywords: Perkins+Will  Jeff  Ziebarth  访谈  建筑 
专访帕金斯威尔董事Jeff Ziebarth
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问:高等教育校园建筑设计中,您认为最重要的元素是什么?尤其在商学院的建筑设计与规划里。
Q: Can you talk about which element(s) is/are most important in higher education practice? Especially in design and planning of business schools.
 
答:在高等教育类型的项目实践当中,我们把关注点放在建筑的功能用途上,以及建筑以后将会被如何使用上。在我们思考建筑的规划设计时,这些方面是十分重要的。还有一个需要重点考量的是与建筑息息相关的场地文脉。我们在工作中竭力呼应场地文脉。对于校园建筑而言,和文脉相呼应极其重要。在一些校园里,一处的建筑可能和其余区域的建筑拥有不同的风格。这时,和文脉相呼应就显得非常重要。建筑的功能也非常重要。具体到商学院建筑的话,我们要针对我们所认同的因素进行考量,使建筑本身成为品牌的代表,使人们对商学院的品牌产生认同感。商学院建筑将会用来聘用和挽留人才,同时也会用来真正优化学生的学习体验。我们会进行很多思考,考量学生以后会如何使用这座建筑,如何进入建筑的不同区域。最后,当我们思考商学院或任何其他教学建筑会开展的学习活动时,我们意识到,随着规划设计工作将重点更多地放在主动式学习和锻炼上,教室本身也在发生变化。教室外的空间也被看作学习区域。教室内外的学习活动同样都频繁,这些是我们针对商学院项目规划功能和空间以及思考规划设计的时候需要去了解的。
 
A: What we like to focus on in general higher education type of projects and practice is the program for the building and how the building is going to be used. That’s very important when we think about the planning and design of a building. The other thing that’s very relevant to that is the context for which it is going to be designed and built. We try to be very contextual at the work that we do. That’s very contextual to the campus. Some campuses may have a different style for the architecture than other parts of the campus. The context is very important. The program is very important. More specifically to business schools, the things we’d like to think about as far as the elements we recognize that the building itself becomes a representation of their brand so as to acknowledge the brand of the business school. The building will be used for recruitment and retention, and also be used as a way to really enhance the students’ experience. So we do a lot of thinking about how the students are going to use the building, gaining access to the different parts of the building. And then ultimately, when we think about the learning that goes on within the business school or any academic building, what we are learning now is the classrooms themselves are starting to change with the planning and design focusing much more on active learning and exercises. Spaces outside the classrooms are also seen as learning spaces. So as much learning happens outside the classroom as it happens within the classroom, we need to recognize it when we program and plan and think about designs and plans of the business school specifically. 
 
问:好的建筑设计是什么样的?
Q: What’s your opinion on good architectural design?
 
答:就我个人而言,好的建筑需要有相互匹配的功能与外形。常常会有这样的情况发生,建筑的外形好,但却不是很好用。我觉得这样的建筑不是好建筑。与此同时,建筑外形是重要的。我们花了很多时间去尽可能了解建筑的实用性以及建筑内部的功能用途,进而确保外形具有高水准。文脉在建筑设计中也非常重要。我们要把建筑融入到文脉里,当然有些业主方也希望建筑以略为不同的形式与文脉联系起来。好的建筑和文脉的关系是十分重要的。同时,好的建筑设计还要具有可持续性。帕金斯威尔多年来一直都将工作重心放在可持续设计上。我觉得好的建筑设计甚至还可能会引出一段好的绿色生态故事。这些都是打造好的建筑设计的方面。
 
A: Personally, the function and the form need to work together. Often at times, it is all about the form of building, and it doesn’t function very well. And I don’t think it is a good piece of architecture. At the same time, form is important. We spend a lot of time trying to understand the functionality of the building, the program within the building, and make sure that the form can represent a high level. Its context is very important as well in architectural design. We need to blend into the context or some clients want something that’s a little bit differently related to the existing context. The context in relationship to good architectural design is important. And sustainability is something that Perkins+Will is really focusing on for years. I think good architectural design probably starts even a sustainable story. Both are aspects that create good architectural design.
 
问:在这个行业里,您最欣赏谁?
Q: Who do you admire most in this profession?
 
答:我认为帕金斯威尔拥有一些特别优秀的设计师。我们这个行业也有许多才华横溢的好设计师。很难讲某一位是我最欣赏的。我的确觉得,我们所从事的职业是在帮助建设环境。我们所从事的是伟大的工作。这个职业让我们意识到,建筑在日常生活中对使用它的人们正发挥着影响力。这才是我们真正要去关注的方面。
 
A: I think that Perkins+Will has some phenomenal designers. We have many talented and good designers in this profession. I don’t feel comfortable saying whom I admire the most. I do think that what we do as a profession is something that helps build the environment. I see that as a great thing we are able to do. It’s a profession that embraces the idea that the architecture has an impact on people who are using our buildings in daily life. This is what we really need to focus on.
 
问:帕金斯威尔完成的众多高等教育项目里,哪个项目您印象最深刻?
Q: Among all higher education projects of Perkins+Will, which project impresses you the best?
 
答:我以在帕金斯威尔工作为荣。我们有许多才华横溢的设计师,有极高的工作水准。无论是在创新思维方面,还是在规划设计的手法上,我们都是公认的思想领袖。帕金斯威尔每个办公室的每位设计师都以高水准的方式开展工作,整个公司的工作节奏保持高度一致性。功能用途是我们设计的驱动力。同时,可持续性也是我们长期投身的事业,我们在这方面积累了丰富的知识和经验。作为可持续方面的思想领袖,我们在自身的行业里推动了这方面的发展,这一点使我印象极为深刻。我们能在这样大规模的公司里对可持续发展做出这么多的成绩,这真的给我留下了极为深刻的印象。
 
A: I’m really proud of working at Perkins+Will because we have some very talented designers and the work that we do is at a very high level. We are thought as thought leaders in not only conceptually how we think about the buildings but also how we do the planning and design. We are very consistent in a way that we approach our work so that every designer in every office in Perkins+Will can do a very good work consistently in a very high level. The program is a driver for our design. I would also say that sustainability is something that Perkins+Will is very knowledgeable and has been committed for a long time. I’m very impressed of how we’ve been able to elevate that part of our profession as thought leaders in sustainability. That’s something I’ve been very impressed of how we are able to do that in such a large firm.   
 
问:最近,您的重心在哪?
Q: What are you focus on in architecture industry recently?
 
答:我目前正在做四个商学院项目。我们公司最近关注更多的是医学院项目。我们发现这块市场的项目需求量大,同时对好设计的需求也很多。这种类型的项目恰好是我们的长项,也是我们实践业务正在发展的部分。我在这个方面也有一定的参与。针对项目而言,我参与更多的是前期战略思维方面的工作。甚至在大家谈论某个项目之前,我已经开始和业主方进行可行性方面的交流了。前期工作可涵盖项目的方方面面,比如可能设置哪些功能用途,如何着手进行项目融资,如何切实协助业主方得到融资等等。最近,我的大部分工作都侧重在项目的前期战略规划方面。更多的是在进行战略规划,而不是规划和设计。
 
A: I’ve been working on four business school projects right now. Our firm has been focusing more recently on medical education projects. We see that as a market that has a lot of needs for projects and good design. So we are well versed in that project type. It’s part of our practice that is growing. I’m involved a little bit in that work. I’ve also been involved more in the upfront strategic thinking side of projects. So it might even be before buildings are being talked about, I’d been working with some of our clients to talk about the feasibility of a project and that could be everything from programs that might go in it to how do you approach the fundraising side of it and how do you actually help get funding. A lot of my work more recently has been more of the upfront strategic planning side of it. It’s strategic thinking rather than planning and design. 
 
问:在教育设施的设计与规划方面,您有着三十年的从业经历,可否与我们分享这背后的故事?比如设计阶段或者施工阶段的小故事,也可以谈一谈您个人的感触与经历等?
Q: You’ve focus 30-year career on designing and planning facilities for learning. Can you share some stories with us? The stories during design phase or construction stage, or stories about your feelings and experience, etc.
 
答:我最喜欢或者说最有乐趣的一些项目都是在业主方的努力督促下完成的项目。这些项目的业主方有着突破创新的思维方式,和我们十分契合,因此也创造出不少优秀的作品。我们在工作中追求设计创新。能够和业主方找到同样的认知,这对于整个项目本身而言有着极其重要的价值。过去的15至20年间,与我共事的商学院院长不胜枚举。他们是院长,同时也是商人。我很高兴能在建筑项目里和他们进行商业方面的沟通,探讨如何用建筑设计支持他们正在着力发展的商学教育事业。一些院长极其有进取心,充满创新精神,希望突破常规模式。能够和这样的业主方开展合作,这可能是在我所做的项目中,让我感觉最愉悦的部分。
 
A: Some of my favorite or most enjoyable projects have been the ones that the clients have really pushed us. I think that leads to some of our best works where the clients have been very out-of-the-box thinking and we tend to be that way. We tend to be innovative in a way that we approach our work. Having clients on the same page is very valuable for the overall project itself. I’ve been working with a lot of business school deans in the past 15 to 20 years. These are businessmen. I enjoy the engagement in conversations about the business side of architecture and what architecture can do to support what they are trying to do with business education. Some of these deans are very progressive and innovative in the way they think and are willing to think out of the box. Being able to get clients with out-of-the-box thinking is probably the most enjoyable part in the projects that I’ve had a chance to work on. 
 
问:您的职业还给您带来了哪些快乐或者其他的感受?
Q: What does your career bring you? Happiness? Enjoyment? Or others?
 
答:对我而言,能够来往于美国各处以及世界各地是很快乐的事情。因为可以看到我们的工作影响着使用者。知道自己正在影响着人们的日常生活,是一种终极享受。另一件令人快乐的事情是能够将项目的愿景化为现实。我们在前期会进行大量的沟通对话,尽力了解项目的愿景是什么?如何利用建筑来支撑愿景,无论这种愿景属于一所机构还是一所商学院的战略组成部分?真正了解项目愿景,对工作成功有着至关重要的作用。能够参与其中,我着实感到很愉悦,因为这是在帮助业主方创造现实。
 
A: For me, being able to travel different parts of the United States and the world is really enjoyable. Because you can see the work we do impacts the users. Knowing that you are having an impact on people’s lives day to day is the ultimate enjoyment. The other enjoyable thing for me is to enable the reality of someone’s vision. We do a lot of conversations early on in the process trying to understand -- what is our vision for this project? How does the architecture support that vision whether it’s the strategic part of an institution or a business school? Really understanding it is critical to successful work. Being part of that work is something that I really enjoy because you are the creator of this reality for clients. 
 
问:请谈一谈建筑设计的趋势。
Q: Can you talk about the trend of architectural design? 
 
答:我觉得技术是有效的工具。技术的确在改变我们进行建筑设计的手法,乃至最终的项目。我们一直在做运算化设计,作为工作过程的一部分,它使我们实现了数年前办不到的事情,解决了原本可能有想法,却难以表达出来的问题。不仅如此,技术也会继续改变建筑设计的方式,也将最终改变我们的处理方式。从另一方面而言,与设计过程关联的技术最终将会导入到施工过程。可能在不久的将来,我们为建造而设计的角色,我们所使用和画施工图的工具手段,都会被数字模型所替代,建筑利用数字模型来得以建造。承包商将会采用那些工具手段,而非像过去一样根据我们的图纸来进行营造。我觉得就在当下这个时刻,在建筑设计职业里,技术是有能力推动设计方案得以完成的。在未来的若干年里,我们的职业将会飞快地发生变化,并将最终改变我们的工作内容。我们将不再受聘去画图纸,而是受聘去为业主方思考建筑的主体支撑构想。这样的未来,感觉会很有趣。
 
A: I think technology is a tool available to us. Technology is really changing how we’ve been able to approach architectural design and then ultimately the final project. We’ve been doing a lot of computational design as a part of the process that allows us to do things that you weren’t able to do in a number of years ago for things that you might be thinking but are hard to convey. It is going to continue to change the way that we think about architectural design and ultimately how we are able to do it. The other part of that is the technology related to the design process that ultimately leads to the construction process. Probably in the near future, our role of enabling design to be built, the tools that we are using and drawing construction documents, all those things in the past would be handing over digital models that are used to create buildings. Contractors would be using those tools rather than our drawings that we used in the past. I think right in this moment in the architecture profession, technologies are able to push forward design solutions. It’s going to change rapidly over the next number of years. That part of the profession is going to change ultimately of what we are actually hired to do. We are not going to be hired to be drawing buildings. We are going to be hired to think about the main substantial ideas for clients to buildings. It’s fun to see. 
 
问:教育建筑设计与其他项目类型的设计有哪些不同点?
Q: What are the differences in designing educational architecture with other types of projects?
 
答:我们公司在医疗和科研类建筑方面很有声誉。同时,我们也做过大量的基础教育、企业、企业室内等方面的项目。我们正在开拓实践业务,融入更多的其他专业,比如城市设计、办公场所战略、品牌环境等等。这些都对我们的工作有提升作用。针对高等教育建筑而言,在很多项目上,建筑的服务寿命都设定了50-100年的高目标。这可能是市场里一些其他项目所考虑不到的。当我们接手一个校园项目时,我们知道建筑的服务寿命将会在50-100年左右。考虑到这一点,考虑设计的角度也会随之不同,不仅体现在规划方面,也会体现在最终的设计层面,还要考虑如何建造、如何使用、如何维护,甚至系统如何结合到基础设施当中等等。这可能算是一大不同点。
 
我们被视为很多实践领域的思想领袖。虽然我无法逐一指出我们在各个市场和实践领域都有哪些长处,但我知道客户聘请我们进行项目合作的理由。我们懂得,创造出来的建筑要有持久性,要有永恒感。
 
A: Our firm is very well-known in healthcare work and science + Technology work. We do a lot of K12 schools, corporate and corporate interiors. We are expanding our practice to include a lot of other disciplines, like urban design, workplace strategies and branding. All these things are enhancing the quality of the work that we are doing. I think that specific to higher education, a lot of our work is the buildings that have high expectations that these are 50-100-year-lifelong buildings. Some of the other practices on the markets may not think their work quite that way. When we are on a campus, we know the expectation for this building is going to be around for 50-100 years and it makes you think differently on the way you not only plan them but also ultimately design them and how they’ll be built, used, maintained and how the systems will be put into the infrastructure. That’s probably a big difference. 
 
I believe we are seen as thought leaders in a lot of our practices. I can’t speak to all of our different markets and practices, but I do know that’s why our clients are hiring us. We understand that these buildings are built to last and need to be timeless. 
 
问:您如何看待建筑和景观之间的关系?
Q: What’s your opinion on the relationship between architecture and landscape?
 
答:这是我们的实践工作所关注的一部分内容。我们已经在城市设计、景观设计、场地设计和公共空间领域参与得越来越多。我们认为,建筑和景观需要无缝连接。我们在开展建筑设计的过程中,也尽力让景观设计师和城市设计师等其他专业参与进来。解决问题要采用一体化的方式,未必要从单一专业的角度出发。我们公司一直都致力于跨学科协作。随着景观设计及其他专业的参与,我们的工作会变得更加强有力。我觉得我们还会继续发展这一块的业务实践工作。在我们明尼阿波利斯办公室里,拥有一批景观设计师和城市设计师。能够让他们参与到业务实践中来,是件令人高兴的事情。我们的实践业务越来越丰富了。
 
A: That’s part of our practice that we are focusing on right now. We’ve become much more involved in urban design, landscaping, site design and public realm. We see that the architecture and landscape need to be seamless. The process that we go through designing architecture is that we try to get landscape architects involved and others like urban designers. It’s a holistic approach to the problem not necessarily from our single discipline’s point of view. Our firm is committed to this. Our work is stronger with the involvement of landscape architecture and other disciplines. I think we are going to continue to grow that side of our practice. In our office of Minneapolis, we have a handful of landscape architects and urban designers. It’s been a joy to have them as part of our practice. They can see how it is becoming a richer practice. 
 
 
个人简介Profile
 
Jeff Ziebarth 领导着帕金斯威尔公司的高等教育实践工作。他拥有三十年的丰富经验,专注于教育设施的设计规划工作。Jeff 在设计打造高等教育环境方面积累了大量经验。他还为企业总部和行政教育中心等设施提供设计服务。 

他所参与的重大委托项目有25个以上已经建成,并因此获得了来自美国学校与大学杂志、商学院主管人员联合会和研发杂志的奖项荣誉。Jeff 是国际高等商学院协会、高等院校规划学会和国际大学联合会的活跃一员,并积极在这些组织当中开展讲座活动。
 
Jeff Ziebarth leads Perkins+Will’s Higher Education practice. He has focused his 30-year career on designing and planning facilities for learning. Jeff has significant experience designing learning environments for higher education clients, with a focus on business school planning and design. He has also designed corporate headquarters and executive education centers for corporate clients.
 
With over 25 major built commissions, Ziebarth has gained honors from American School and University magazine, the Association of Business School Officials, and R & D magazine. Jeff is an active participant and lecturer with the Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB), the Society of College and University Planners, and the Association of College Unions International.

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